為什麼這篇no later than包含鄉民發文收入到精華區：因為在no later than包含這個討論話題中，有許多相關的文章在討論，這篇最有參考價值！作者EZ78 (EZ78)看板NBA標題[外絮] Jerry West要求HBO影集"勝利時...
來源: https://pse.is/444qhg ESPN
Former Los Angeles Lakers executive Jerry West is demanding a retraction and
an apology for what he called "a baseless and malicious assault" on his
character in the HBO series "Winning Time," in a letter sent Tuesday evening
by his legal team to the network and producer Adam McKay that was obtained by
ESPN.
根據ESPN收到來自前洛杉磯湖人管理層Jerry West法律團隊給製片人Adam McKay的律師信
,West要求HBO影集"勝利時刻"撤回並針對影集中對於他"無根據且惡意的攻擊"道歉。
West's lawyers allege that "Winning Time falsely and cruelly portrays Mr.
West as an out-of-control, intoxicated rage-aholic," saying that "bears no
resemblance to the real man." They ask for a retraction no later than two
weeks from the receipt of the letter.
West的律師指控"勝利時刻虛假的且殘忍的描繪West先生為一名無法控制自己情緒的暴躁
人士,"並指稱"跟真實人物完全沒有任何相似可言。"他們要求在該律師函寄出後兩周內要
撤回該角色。
"The portrayal of NBA icon and L.A. Lakers legend Jerry West in 'Winning
Time' is fiction pretending to be fact -- a deliberately false
characterization that has caused great distress to Jerry and his family,"
said Skip Miller, a partner at the Miller Barondess LLP law firm in Los
Angeles and attorney for West. "Contrary to the baseless portrayal in the HBO
series, Jerry had nothing but love for and harmony with the Lakers
organization, and in particular owner Dr. Jerry Buss, during an era in which
he assembled one of the greatest teams in NBA history.
"在劇中對於NBA門面及湖人傳奇Jerry West的描繪是預設為現實的創作--這個故意捏造的
角色塑造造成Jerry及他的家人極大的困擾,"Skip Miller, Miller Barondess法律事務所
的合夥人之一且為West的代表律師表示。"與HBO劇中毫無根據的描繪相對的,Jerry對湖人
球團並沒有怨懟且只有愛與和諧,尤其是與前老闆Jerry Buss博士,在湖人是NBA史上最偉
大的球隊之一時
"Jerry West was an integral part of the Lakers and NBA's success. It is a
travesty that HBO has knowingly demeaned him for shock value and the pursuit
of ratings. As an act of common decency, HBO and the producers owe Jerry a
public apology and at the very least should retract their baseless and
defamatory portrayal of him."
"Jerry West在湖人及NBA的成功是不可或缺的一部分。HBO為了譁眾取寵與追求收視率而公
開的貶低West是一個滑稽的行為。為了West在大眾的形象,HBO與其製作人欠Jerry一個公
開的道歉且至少應該要撤回他們對West無根據且毀謗性的演繹。"
West's lawyers said HBO's disclaimer that the series is a dramatization does
not insulate the network from liability.
HBO did not immediately respond to or comment on West's letter.
West的律師說HBO對此劇的免責聲明並沒有消除此劇與現實生活責任的連結。
HBO並沒有立刻對West的律師信進行回應或是評論。
The series, which has been airing on Sunday nights this spring on HBO, is
based on author Jeff Pearlman's book "Showtime: Magic, Kareem, Riley, and the
Los Angeles Lakers Dynasty of the 1980s."
勝利時刻：湖人王朝崛起這個春季每周日晚上上映,是根據作家Jeff Pearlman的著作"
Showtime: 魔術,卡里姆,萊利及1980湖人王朝"進行改編。
West's lawyers allege that the series creators acted with "legal malice"
because many scenes in the series showing West's purported rage did not
appear in Pearlman's book and did not happen. The letter includes statements
from former players such as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Cooper and Jamaal
Wilkes, as well as Lakers employees such as Claire Rothman, Charlene Kenney,
Bob Steiner and Mitch Kupchak who worked with West during the time period
covered in the show, denying that they ever saw him commit any of the
rage-filled acts or drink alcohol in the office, as depicted in the series.
West的律師指控該劇集的製作者表現出了"法律上的惡意"因為劇中許多鏡頭都包含了
Pearlman書中並無敘述的傳說中的惡劣脾氣。這封信包含了許多球員,包含賈霸,古柏與威
克斯及一些湖人員工Rothman, Kenney,Steiner與Kupchak這些在這段時間與West共事的人
們且也有出現在劇裡的角色的聲明,否認了他們有在任何時間看過West有因憤怒而失控的
行為或是在辦公室裡喝酒(這些場景皆有在劇中詳細敘述)。
"Instead of exploring his issues with compassion as a way to better
understand the man, they turn him into a Wile E. Coyote cartoon to be laughed
at," Abdul-Jabbar said in a statement. "He never broke golf clubs, he didn't
throw his trophy through the window. Sure, those actions make dramatic
moments, but they reek of facile exploitation of the man rather than
exploration of character."
"比起用同理心來探索West這名人物,他們直接把West變成一個如同威利狼(美國經典卡通角
色)的丑角"賈霸聲明。"他從沒弄壞高爾夫球桿,從沒把獎盃往窗戶外亂丟。當然,這些舉
動可以說是為了戲劇效果,但他們決定要輕率地詮釋West而非好好探索這名角色。"
Rothman, who ran operations at the Great Western Forum for over 20 years and
is portrayed by Gaby Hoffmann in the series, said, "Jerry treated me and
everyone else in the Lakers organization with dignity and respect. I never
saw Jerry break or throw anything in anger or rage nor did I hear anyone ever
say he did such things."
Rothman,經營Great Western論壇長達20年且由Gaby Hoffmann飾演,說"Jerry對我與其他
在湖人球團工作的人非常的尊重且體面。我從沒見過Jerry因為憤怒破壞或是亂扔任何東西
也沒聽說過任何人說他做過這類事情。"
Kupchak, now the Charlotte Hornets' general manager, played for the Lakers
from 1981 to 1986 and then worked alongside West in the Lakers' front office
from 1986 to 2000.
Kupchak,現任黃蜂GM,曾經在1981至1986為湖人打球並在1986至2000年加入湖人制服組與
West一起工作。
"During my time with the Lakers as a player and in the front office, Jerry
was always professional, even-keeled and soft-spoken," Kupchak said. "He was
always positive and encouraging with me. I also found Jerry to be honest and
sincere. I never saw or heard Jerry lose his temper with anyone. I also never
saw or heard Jerry go on an angry rant or tirade, nor did I ever see or hear
Jerry scream or yell at anyone. That was not his personality. Jerry is
soft-spoken and does not like confrontation. He always keeps his composure
and remains calm even when he has a disagreement with someone. Last, I've
never heard or seen Jerry ever break or throw anything in anger."
"在我在湖人身為球員與制服組的時期,Jerry一直都非常專業,平穩且語氣柔和,"Kupchak
說。"他跟我在一起的時候永遠非常正面且振奮人心。我也發覺Jerry是非常誠實且誠懇。
我從沒見過或聽過Jerry對任何人發飆。我也從沒看過或聽過Jerry憤怒的責罵他人,也沒
看過或聽過Jerry對任何人大吼或是尖叫。那就不是他的個性。Jerry語氣柔和且並不喜歡
與任何人有衝突。他永遠保持他的鎮定並在與別人意見不合時維持冷靜。最後,我從沒聽
過或看過Jerry有因憤怒破壞或者是投擲任何東西。"
West's lawyers said he is due a retraction, an apology and damages from HBO
and the show's producers because "the show goes out of its way to denigrate
Jerry West despite his accomplishments as an executive."
West的律師說他預期要有一個撤回,道歉及來自HBO及節目製片人的賠償因為"這個劇完全失
控且詆毀了Jerry West,即使他做為湖人的管理層的勞苦功高。"
The letter goes on to cite the series' depiction of West's role in the
drafting of Magic Johnson, saying it implies West had "personal animus"
against Johnson and tried to "sabotage" his selection. West's lawyers said he
only pointed out Sidney Moncrief's scoring ability and that the Lakers should
consider him, while then-team owner Jack Kent Cooke had the final decision.
這封律師信繼續舉證了該劇對West角色選中魔術強森時的描述,說那段演繹暗示West對於魔
術有"私人的敵意"並嘗試要"暗算"魔術的中選。West的律師說他只指出Moncrief的得分能
力並湖人應該要考慮他,但老闆Jack Kent Cooke做出了最終抉擇。
"So instead of seeing the true Jerry West -- a brilliant GM who was the
architect of one of the great NBA dynasties -- anyone who watched the show
would be left with the false impression that West is incompetent, that he
didn't want Magic Johnson. This is a fabrication," the letter says. "Contrary
to the show, the book leaves readers with the true impression of Jerry as a
brilliant and thoughtful GM. Your extreme departure from the book shows
malice in your false portrayal."
"所以比起描繪真實的Jerry West--一名睿智並作為NBA最偉大王朝之一的建築師的GM--任
何看了該劇的觀眾會留下對於West是一名無能者的錯誤印象因為他不想要魔術強森。這是
杜撰出來的。"律師信寫道。"相對於該劇,這本書給讀者留下Jerry是一名睿智且深思熟慮
的GM的印象。你們極端的背離原書本而演出的虛假描繪完全展現出了你們的惡意。"
心得:
套句原告的名言:
"Shit Show"
更正啟事:這部劇跟湖人球團並沒有關係 是我搞錯了 非常對不起
在此特別做出聲明
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→ jalsonice : 湖人場內場外戲都好多 04/21 01:28
推 mhkt : 這部戲怎麼風波這麼多 0.0 04/21 01:30
其實就是Jeanie Buss又一次秀下限 以為在戲裡偷嘴不會被看到= =推 redsoxnation: 謝謝譯文，辛苦了 04/21 01:39
我把扣打用完了 結果看到西門第四戰回歸的消息不能發= =推 mhkt : 看來Logo爺的怒火將要用法律戰訴諸行動了…… 04/21 01:39
噓 minisung : 這隻誰? == 04/21 01:41
推 Tommy92C : NBA LOGO的代表人物都不知道樓上好雲 04/21 01:47
推 tailsean : 滿扯的，那麼多曾經共事的人有出來幫忙澄清了 04/21 01:47
→ tailsean : 看來真的是新一輪對Logo爺的惡搞，無下限欸？ 04/21 01:47
推 wishxuso : 不知道logo爺是有在看球嗎== 04/21 01:48
推 a44101234 : 湖人管理層越來越臭 04/21 01:58
推 SlamKai : 珍妮真是把湖人搞得烏煙瘴氣 -.- 04/21 01:59
推 ktkowhypop : 湖人是想把本業變成拍影集嗎？ 04/21 02:09
推 flicker36 : 支持告死 04/21 02:12
推 hank13241 : 取消west的季票又在影集中抹黑，Buss跟west是有什 04/21 02:14
→ hank13241 : 麼深仇大恨嗎？ 04/21 02:14
不知道 而且從可愛爭奪戰之前就交惡了 魔術好像也有一份推 malain : Wow，WOJ的推特西門第四戰要復出！？ 04/21 02:14
對啊 你要不要發一下QQ 我翻完這篇文剛好看到要復出 很嘔 不能發了推 jack34031 : 稍微逛了一下Twitter裡湖人粉絲團 04/21 02:19
推 malain : 我也是看到78大提才去刷的，真的要復出耶靠，不過 04/21 02:19
→ malain : 我不太會發文，留給其他人XD 04/21 02:19
→ jack34031 : 好像有很多人覺得這不過是個影集，又不是紀錄片 04/21 02:20
有 律師信裡有提到蠻多次 但主要爭議點是在惡意改編的部分 而且你根據現實事件改編的影集本來就要顧慮到現實人物的想法與形象 造成實際損失本來就很容易被告
推 jack34031 : 其實也很常見啦 04/21 02:23
→ jack34031 : 《霍元甲》不是也被滅門嗎哈哈 04/21 02:23
對啊 那件事也是鬧很大 最主要還是因為湖人就有人參與製作了這個影集 整個事情更加複雜了
→ AceKiller : 雖然我還蠻喜歡看這部片的，但對West 老爺以及其他 04/21 02:24
→ AceKiller : 人的描述我都是抱著一種這是演戲但現實根本不可能 04/21 02:24
→ AceKiller : 的心態在看 04/21 02:25
推 ganhua : 欸不是，你說球隊經營的爛就算了，怎麼整天搞隊史的 04/21 02:27
→ ganhua : 球星= =還嘴人家... 04/21 02:27
→ peter211183 : 西門要復出不是早就有消息了嗎 04/21 02:28
→ peter211183 : 幹嘛大驚小怪 04/21 02:28
推 qoqocat : 就算影集也不能隨便這樣搞人家吧，怎麼不這樣弄珍妮 04/21 02:33
→ RushMonkey : 湖人高層到底為啥要這樣追殺一個退休名宿 超級難看 04/21 03:01
推 alwaysstrong: 惡搞自家球隊傳奇球星不遺餘力 04/21 03:02
推 Duncan7406 : 這大概是湖人帶風向作業的結果吧 04/21 03:04
→ VL1003 : 二代上位鬥老臣的戲碼… 04/21 03:09
→ VL1003 : 一代跟老臣一步步建立王朝的革命情感，二代沒有還 04/21 03:11
→ VL1003 : 自認很行辭退老臣自己搞爛公司，真是標準劇情。 04/21 03:11
→ mimikillua : 光是劇名就不符現實了 04/21 03:27
推 bestteam : 有這麼容易免責 那大家就隨便寫小說攻擊現實人物啦 04/21 03:36
推 CycleEnergy : 看來就是很容易就沒事 04/21 03:51
推 MK47 : 湖人老闆真的很低級 為了污衊前員工直接捏造事實 04/21 04:02
→ MK47 : 說真的 你球隊經營的爛是能力和運氣問題 但是這種捏 04/21 04:03
→ MK47 : 造、醜化並傳播出去來詆毀前員工 就是單純的人品低 04/21 04:04
→ MK47 : 劣了 哪是什麼戲劇效果就可以說得過去 04/21 04:04
推 shawncarter : 堂堂West爺這樣羞辱，實在太無恥 04/21 04:15
推 jbuilder1022: logo 爺也算nba門面耶，這樣搞他 04/21 06:02
推 yakamikazuya: 支持告到底 04/21 06:11
推 dream6789 : 推 04/21 06:12
→ richard1003 : 這影集又不是湖人拍的，有人怪湖人管理層是不是搞錯 04/21 06:25
→ richard1003 : 對象... 04/21 06:25
抱歉 謝謝指證 我搞錯劇了推 EdwardXIII : Jeanie Buss當製作人的不是這部戲吧？ 04/21 06:26
→ EdwardXIII : 因為連Magic都說過這部戲跟事實差很遠了 04/21 06:27
噓 sbdr : 監製不是女王 心得這樣跟West抗議的目標87%一樣 造 04/21 06:32
→ sbdr : 謠 04/21 06:32
→ EdwardXIII : 查了一下，之前版上有關這部戲的情報就有提過這齣 04/21 06:33
→ EdwardXIII : 戲沒有湖人高層的背書，頂多只有Rick Fox當顧問而已 04/21 06:33
推 TimmyJiang : 珍妮當製作人的是真人實境秀的那一部吧，還沒殺青和 04/21 06:33
→ TimmyJiang : 上映 04/21 06:34
→ EdwardXIII : 原Po還是改一下心得吧 04/21 06:34
有改了 非常的抱歉→ TimmyJiang : IMDb裡面也沒看到巴斯家族的名字 04/21 06:34
推 MaRin0725 : 支持logo爺 04/21 07:11
推 holyhelm : 戲劇缺反派，去搞logo爺幹嘛 04/21 07:16
推 jojomickey2 : 湖人史上最偉大的GM被搞成這樣... 04/21 07:48
推 Krishna : 內鬥啦 04/21 07:54
推 mmchen : 支持West，歷史上最偉大的球員之一不該這樣被抹屎 04/21 07:54
推 mjordanlin : 應該要告的,不然拍戲都亂拍 04/21 08:11
推 Notif520 : 這部又不是湖人拍的 怪管理層的是在 04/21 08:15
→ sbdr : 沒缺反派啊 反派是紅頭 大鳥 還有他賽 04/21 08:16
推 RadioMan : 你湖這樣臭自己的前招牌球員 ㄏㄏ 04/21 08:16
噓 k45446123 : 翻譯是Google翻譯翻得是不是 04/21 08:22
翻譯錯在哪隨時歡迎指證^^噓 BronnyJames : 這部乾湖人高層屁事 04/21 08:31
推 zehow : 蠻好看的這部 04/21 08:48
推 s29598863 : 不知道他是誰的有看過NBA的Logo嗎？ 沒有錯就是他 04/21 08:49
推 Aretimis7345: 珍妮到底對Logo爺有啥深仇大恨阿 04/21 08:49
→ Luvsic : 這部Jeanie Buss沒參與吧，湖人參與的是另一部Netfl 04/21 09:02
→ Luvsic : ix喜劇影集 04/21 09:02
→ Luvsic : ，Winning Time這部沒記錯的話應該是沒有跟湖人球團 04/21 09:03
→ Luvsic : 合作 04/21 09:03
推 alittleghost: 支持法院認證 04/21 09:08
→ SCLPAL : 隔壁F1的影集好像也有爭議? 04/21 09:11
→ whitecut : 翻譯看的頭有點痛 還是看原文好了 04/21 09:15
噓 dcoog7880 : 就是SJW影集 女權至上 04/21 09:30
推 Luvsic : F1爭議是在刻意誇大描繪某些車手關係，還有移花接木 04/21 09:35
→ Luvsic : 一些事件畫面和Team Radio 04/21 09:35
推 sunnydragon7: 女老闆偷嘴Logo爺被抓包XD 04/21 09:47
推 GleybeTorres: 這部不是湖人拍的啦 04/21 09:53
推 shingo135r : 堂堂Logo爺也這樣亂寫，厲害了！ 04/21 09:56
推 cv120345 : 珍妮帶領的湖人除了宮鬥還會幹嘛，連West都能抹黑 04/21 10:24
推 lu3yao : 果然被告了 04/21 10:28
※ 編輯: EZ78 (123.193.63.116 臺灣), 04/21/2022 10:48:09→ Granger33 : 這部所有人都很糟，巴斯博士在劇中要夠荒淫無度， 04/21 11:33
→ Granger33 : 賈霸就是脾氣古怪老大哥，魔術算是相對比較還好的 04/21 11:34
→ Granger33 : ，就是標準性需求很大的運動員，珍妮當時年紀小， 04/21 11:34
→ Granger33 : 也沒什麼壞描繪 04/21 11:34
推 sunnydragon7: 原來跟湖人球團沒關係，抱歉搞錯了 04/21 11:41
推 w871221 : mckay的風格就是這樣啊，單以影集來看不錯，合不合 04/21 12:29
→ w871221 : 史實就不知道了 04/21 12:29
→ dong80 : 不是說影劇就可隨便亂講 這部還標榜真人實事 當然會 04/21 12:32
→ dong80 : 嚴重影響名聲 光金庸杜撰小說用到真人名就抗議改了 04/21 12:32
→ dong80 : 這部裡面描寫真的是到處鉤心鬥角古怪黑暗面 其實一 04/21 12:34
→ dong80 : 些標榜真人實事都當純杜撰較好 每部都改的太誇張粉 04/21 12:35
→ dong80 : 飾作假比做新聞還扯 卻又以真實來引你相信上鉤 04/21 12:36
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