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作者: alchemi (Taiwanese) 看板: Brethren
標題: Fw: 「召會」被列入ECNR『新宗教與非正統教派』（一）
時間: Tue Oct 29 03:11:32 2013

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台灣眾教會現在如此包容召會，一起出現在基督教論壇報攻擊東方閃電，但是卻未曾聽見

一直批判基督教是「妓女」（此一說法大量出現於召會各種出版品，包括李常受生命讀經

、晨興聖言、結晶讀經、錄影訓練等等）、是「公會」（去召會聚一次會，就會聽到召會

從上到下都這樣罵主內肢體，難不成召會以「私會」自居？），至今也未曾改變態度依舊

繼續罵主內肢體的這一群人，公開說一聲對不起，改口尊重其他教會，真正是驕傲自大、

欺人太甚。我反問一個問題，那些不知道召會與李常受的各種異端說法與實行的正統基督

教界朋友們，一旦知道一切的真相，還願意不願意與召會站在一起？


※ 引述《Tiunn (guesswho)》之銘言：
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: 作者: Tiunn (guesswho) 看板: Christianity
: 標題: 「地方召會」被列入ECNR『新宗教與非正統教派』
: 時間: Thu Oct 24 22:11:47 2013
: 「地方召會」被列入ECNR『新宗教與非正統教派』百科全書之理由
: 福音派基督徒之所以將「地方召會」列入ECNR『新宗教與非正統教派』百科全書，其理由
: 認為李氏下列幾點之教訓與正統基督徒信仰出現矛盾之處。特別是在教義上「神性的本質
: 」、「人性的本質」兩大部份。筆者補譯幾個重點供弟兄姊妹參考，好讓大家有重新思考
: 的空間。
: On the Nature of God
: 神的本質
: "The Son is called the Father; so the Son must be the Father. We must realize
: this fact. There are some who say that He is called the Father, but He is not
: really the Father. But how could He be called the Father and yet not be the
: Father?... In the place where no man can approach Him (I Tim. 6:16), God is
: the Father. When He comes forth to manifest Himself, He is the Son. So, a Son
: is given, yet His name is called 'The everlasting Father.' This very Son who
: has been given to us is the very Father."
: "子被稱為父，那麼子必然是父......"
: 出處：包羅萬有基督之靈。第四、五頁
: Witness Lee, The All-Inclusive Spirit of Christ
: (Los Angeles: The Stream Publishers, 1969), pp. 4-5
: "...the entire Godhead, the Triune God, became flesh."
: .....整個神格，是三一神，成為肉身.........
: 出處：神的新約經綸。第230頁
: Witness Lee, God's New Testament Economy
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1986), p. 230
: "The traditional explanation of the Trinity is grossly inadequate and
: borders on tritheism. When the Spirit of God is joined with us, God is not
: left behind, nor does Christ remain on the throne. This is the impression
: Christianity gives. They think of the Father as one Person, sending the Son,
: another Person, to accomplish redemption, after which the Son sends the
: Spirit, yet another Person. The Spirit, in traditional thinking, comes into
: the believers, while the Father and Son are left on the throne. When
: believers pray, they are taught to bow before the Father and pray in the name
: of the Son. To split the Godhead into these separate Persons is not the
: revelation of the Bible...."
: ..............把神格分為三個位格不是聖經的啟示......
: 出處：生命讀經。第164頁
: Witness Lee, Life Messages
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1979), p. 164
: "THE SON IS THE FATHER, AND THE SON IS ALSO THE SPIRIT.... and the Lord
: Jesus who is the Son is also the Eternal Father. Our Lord is the Son, and He
: is also the Father. Hallelujah!"
: ..."子是那父，子也是那靈"........我們的主是那子，也是那父.......
: 出處：關於三一神。第18-19頁
: Witness Lee, Concerning the Triune God
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1973), pp. 18-19
: "Therefore, it is clear: The Lord Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the
: Spirit, and He is the very God. He is also the Lord. He is the Father, the
: Son, the Spirit, the Mighty God, and the Lord."
: ........主耶穌是父，是子，是那靈........
: 出處：關於三一神的屬靈啟示。
: Witness Lee, The Clear Scriptural Revelation
: Concerning the Triune God
: www.contendingforthefaith.org/responses/booklets/triune.html
: "The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not three separate persons or three
: Gods; they are one God, one reality, one person."
: ....父，子，靈不是三個身位或三位神，....他們是一個身位......
: 出處：三一神活在人裡。第48頁
: Witness Lee, The Triune God to Be Life to the Tripartite Man
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1970), p. 48
: On the Nature of Humanity
: 人性的本質
: "Christ is of two natures, the human and the divine, and we are the same: we
: are of the human nature, but covered with the divine. He is the God-man, and
: we are the God-men. He is the ark made of wood covered with gold, and we are
: the boards made of wood covered with gold. In number we are different, but in
: nature we are exactly the same."
: ....基督有人性和神性.....在本質上我們也是一樣.......
: 出處：包羅萬有基督。第103頁
: Witness Lee, The All-Inclusive Christ
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 5th ed. 1989), p. 103
: "God can say to His believers, 'I am divine and human,' and His believers
: can reply, 'Praise You, Lord. You are divine and human, and we are human and
: divine.'"
: 神可對信徒說"我是神也是人".....信徒可回答 "我們是人也是神".....
: 出處：三一神活在人裡。第51-52頁
: Witness Lee, The Triune God to Be Life to the Tripartite Man
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1990), pp. 51-52
: "My burden is to show you clearly that God's economy and plan is to make
: Himself man and to make us, His created beings, 'God,' so that He is
: 'man-ized' and we are 'God-ized.' In the end, He and we, we and He, all
: become God-men.'
: ".....神的經綸和計劃是把祂自己做成人，把我們做成祂造的"神"......
: 出處：神聖分賜的更深研究。第54頁
: Witness Lee, A Deeper Study of the Divine Dispensing
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1990), p. 54
: "We the believers are begotten of God. What is begotten of man is man, and
: what is begotten of God must be God. We are born of God; hence, in this
: sense, we are God."
: ........我們 從神生，因此，在此理解，我們是神.
: 出處：Ibid., p. 53
: Ibid., p. 53
: "Because the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are all one with the Body of
: Christ, we may say that the Triune God is now the 'four-in-one' God.' These
: four are the Father, the Son, the Spirit, and the Body. The Three of the
: Divine Trinity cannot be confused or separated, and the four-in-one also
: cannot be separated or confused."
: ........父、子、靈 都在基督的身體，我們可以說三一神現是四一神，父、子、靈和身
: 體。
: 出處：Ibid., pp. 203-204
: Ibid., pp. 203-204
: On the Legitimacy of Evangelical Churches and Denominations
: 基督教福音教會和各宗派的正統性
: We decry as inconsistent and unjustifiable the attempts by Living Stream and
: the "local churches" to gain membership in associations of evangelical
: churches and ministries while continuing to promote Witness Lee's denigrating
: characterizations of such churches and ministries as follows:
: 「地方召會」及「水流職事站」在取得基督教福音教會所屬的協會會員資格，卻同時繼續
: 推展李氏教導貶低這些基督教福音教會和事奉，我們認為此種做法是矛盾和不公義的。
: "The Lord is not building His church in Christendom, which is composed of the
: apostate Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant denominations. This
: prophecy is being fulfilled through the Lord's recovery, in which the
: building of the genuine church is being accomplished."
: .....主不是在基督教國建立召會，基督教國是由墮落羅馬天主教，和改革各宗派 .....
: 出處：新約恢復本99頁
: Witness Lee in The New Testament Recovery Version,
: note 184 (Matthew 16:18)
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1991), p. 99
: http://online.recoveryversion.org/FootNotes.asp?FNtsID=639
: "The apostate church has deviated from the Lord's word and become heretical.
: The reformed church, though recovered to the Lord's word to some extent, has
: denied the Lord's name by denominating herself, taking many other names, such
: as Lutherans, Wesleyan, Anglican, Presbyterian, Baptist, etc. ... To deviate
: from the Lord's word is apostasy, and to denominate the church by taking any
: name other than the Lord's is spiritual fornication."
: ......使用宗派否認主的名如信義會、衛思理會、長老會、浸信會.......
: 出處：新約恢復本1256頁
: Witness Lee in The New Testament Recovery Version,
: note 83 (Revelation 3:8)
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1991), p. 1256
: http://online.recoveryversion.org/FootNotes.asp?FNtsID=8759
: "I am afraid that a number of us are still under the negative influence of
: Christendom. We all have to realize that today the Lord is going on and on to
: fully recover us and bring us fully out of Christendom."
: ".....今天主要完成恢復我們帶我們完全離開基督教國 ........
: 出處： 教會歷史與地方召會。132頁
: Witness Lee, The History of the Church and the Local Churches
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1991), p. 132
: "In every denomination, including the Roman Catholic Church, there are real,
: saved Christians. They are God's people belonging to the Lord. But the
: organization of the denominations in which they are is not of God. The
: denominational organizations have been utilized by Satan to set up his
: satanic system to destroy God's economy of the proper church life."
: ..........基督教宗派組織是被撒旦利用建立撒旦系統破壞神的經綸........
: 出處：創世紀生命讀經464頁
: Witness Lee, "Message Thirty-Four" in The Life-Study of Genesis
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1987), Vol. 1, p. 464
: "We do not care for Christianity, we do not care for Christendom, we do not
: care for the Roman Catholic church, and we do not care for all the
: denominations, because in the Bible it says that the great Babylon is fallen.
: This is a declaration. Christianity is fallen, Christendom is fallen,
: Catholicism is fallen, and all the denominations are fallen. Hallelujah!"
: ...........這是個宣告基督教墮落...所有基督教宗派是墮落 .....
: 出處： 地方召會的七靈97頁
: Witness Lee, The Seven Spirits for the Local Churches
: (Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1989), p. 97
: "To know God is not adequate. To know Christ is also not adequate. Even to
: know the church is not adequate. We must go on to know the churches which are
: local. If we are up-to-date in following the Lord, we will realize that today
: is the day of the local churches."
: .......我們將會了解現今是地方召會的日子.
: 出處：Ibid., p. 23
: Ibid., p. 23
: We respectfully call on the leadership of Living Stream Ministry and the
: "local churches" to disavow and cease to publish these and similar
: declarations.
: 我們尊敬的呼籲「地方召會」及「水流職事站」領導，收回和停止出版這些和類似的教導
: 。
: http://blog.haleluya.com.tw/wataru/archives/6852.html






以下若有任何一字謊言，願主刪除我生命冊上的名，永世時下火湖。李常受位在聖靈之後
，居第四位，1986年於台北市召會也有一模一樣的說法，連講員都是與美國德州場同一人
：韓德璞( Paul Hon )，台北市召會場我本人在現場，同年台北市召會呼求李常受特會，
Howard Higashi和余潔麟主持，我本人也在現場，我沒有呼求李常受的名，此場聚會一般
認定是中國大陸「呼喊派－呼求常受主，呼求常受神」的起點，雖然召會聲稱李常受曾去
信中國大陸阻止，但召會從未對美國德州場與台北市召會兩場做任何解釋，至少兩場異端
聚會都在台北市召會第三聚會所二樓大會場舉行，兩場都滿場，各約數百人、也許接近千
人的特會。余潔麟來到香港時，由香港教會長老溫繼有向余潔麟面詢，如此呼求李常受的
名是何用意？余潔麟承認曾有此事。drea，你那時後應該是在吸奶，甚至還沒有投胎。






drea，你現在怎麼噤聲龜縮了？敢快拿出良心勇敢斥責並棄絕召會聚會所李常受異端，否
則你就是愛異端不愛真 神。本事件始末請參考「香港教會全體長老同工就當今工作局面
的一些聲明」超連結如下：

http://1974748.blogspot.tw/2010/08/blog-post_22.html






drea，你算是有一點勇氣，Good，你應該是個年輕人，未曾親身經歷過召會那些荒唐的年
代。但是前述都是已經發生過的事實，建議你拿出良心與勇氣，親自向那幾位所謂的同工
求證，然後以正直的靈，大聲斥責這一些妄人妄言妄行妄事，並且斥責並棄絕至今沒有對
這些已經發生過的事實做出任何解釋與悔改的錯謬異端系統。






正統基督信仰 vs. 召會聚會所：
三一 神，三位一體 vs. 四一神，四位一體
神格裏父居首位 vs. 神格裏子居首位
父、子、聖靈區別而不分開 vs. 父就是子，子就是那靈
聖子道成肉身 vs. 聖父、聖子、聖靈一起道成肉身
基督是非受造 vs. 基督是受造物
獨一一位基督 vs. 團體的基督
神的兒女 vs. 人成為神

朋友，你還能說召會不是異端嗎？



李常受錯誤的神論----------聖經未曾有過的「啟示」

「四一神，四位一體-------這是否暗示聖父、聖子、與聖靈之外，還有另外一位神？」
，「神格裏子居首位-------這暗示聖父不是宇宙一切的源頭，也明示神格裏聖父不是居
首位」，「子就是父，子就是那靈-------這是形態論，李常受另說『受造的基督』，如
此強烈暗示聖父、聖子、聖靈都是受造物，這是宇宙中最大的褻瀆」，「聖父、聖子、聖
靈一起道成肉身-------這暗示聖父與聖靈也都釘了十字架」，「聖子是創造者也是被造
之物-------受造的基督，這是最可惡的褻瀆，請注意，撒但是受造物，擊殺撒但的基督
，是創造者，絕非受造者，基督的人性是被生出的，不是被造的（西1：15，愛子是首生
的）」，「團體的基督-------請問基督徒所相信的是耶穌基督，還是團體的基督？」，
「人成為神-------請注意，信徒永遠是 神的兒女，永遠不能成為神，『人成為神』是
宇宙中極大的褻瀆，撒但就是要想與 神同等，才墮落與背叛的」，「生的神，熟的神
-------請注意，自有永有亙古不變的 神，是宇宙唯一絕對者與永不改變者，生熟之論
不符 神的屬性，亦非聖經的啟示」，「李常受的子化論-------請注意，聖經無一處講

過『子化』，主耶穌沒有經過『子化』，也根本不需要『子化』，聖子自有永有亙古不變
，何來子化之有」，「李常受的那靈論-------請注意，聖靈自有永有亙古不變，何需演
進之有」等等、、、


李常受錯誤的釋經----------按照私意的「解經」

「新約希伯來書的作者是保羅（參李常受恢復本聖經希伯來書之著者）」，「保羅十四封
書信（含希伯來書）」-------請問，聖經何處啟示出希伯來書的作者？「雅各書違反了
神新約的經綸（參李常受恢復本聖經雅各書， 1：1註4， 1：5註1， 1：11註1， 1：25
註2， 1：26註1， 2：10註1， 3：12註1， 3：17註1， 4：11註1）」-------請問，聖
經都是 神所默示的， 神的言語句句都是煉淨的，像這種又主觀又否定聖經的釋經態度
，絕對不是從 神來的。等等、、、


李常受的錯誤不勝枚舉，罄竹難書，以上稍列李常受謬誤數端，從最重大的神學，到較輕
微的解經，召會李常受信眾若是照單全收，便是自證「我只相信李弟兄」，建議卸下信基
大樓「主的恢復展覽館」內「聖經是我們獨一無二的標準」招牌，換成「我們只相信倪柝
聲與李常受」，以示誠實。


認識真理，永不嫌遲；知錯能改，為時不晚。




Alchemy 拒絕再回應任何問題浪費時間，召會李常受信眾「見笑轉生氣」的吠言，歡迎隨

時補上，不再編輯，保證不刪。你們在自己的問題裏打牆，恐怕主耶穌親自來解說，也無

法說服這種「我只相信李弟兄」的蛋頭（「我只相信李弟兄」，是大約二十年前起迄今，

Alchemy 發現召會大有問題後，每每於召會公開或私下的提問，除了招致「圍剿公幹」外

，所得到的一致回應）。網友若名為 Satan或 Lucifer者，不受此限，24小時全年無休隨

時候教，保証把你痛擊成 Natas或 Reficul. 榮耀歸 神，哈利路亞，阿們。

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